Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. 18. G.F.F. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. 24. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. I was sincerely disappointed. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. Not of works, lest any man should boast. Plus they pray to the saints. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. All rights reserved. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. 29. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I forgave through the example of Jesus. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Everyone has sent in their life. N/A We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! What a stupid thing to say. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. 2. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Association of King James Bible only independent Baptist churches, Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people, questions the official account of the Holocaust, List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as anti-LGBT hate groups, "This radical Baptist church preaches LGBTQ hate just miles from California's Capitol", "The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement", "Anti-LGBT Church Splits Amidst Turmoil Following Resignation of Pastor, Reveals Fault Lines in New Anti-LGBT Church Network", "Anti-LGBTQ pastor ousted for 'sleeping with prostitutes,' fellow IFB pastor says", "California church known for its anti-LGBTQ beliefs is bombed", "Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: 'The tragedy is that more of them didn't die', "Tempe Pastor Hails Orlando Massacre for Leaving '50 Less Pedophiles in This World': Video", "FLORIDA CHURCH WANTED POLICE PROTECTION FOR 'MAKE AMERICA STRAIGHT AGAIN' CONFERENCE, THEY REFUSED", "Tennessee Pastor Who Is Also a Detective Calls for L.G.B.T. OMG! 8. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. 28. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Yes, we have a tract rack. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. BUT, there is good news! Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. I only hope that you will see it before too long. 4. 27. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. You got me I am an IFB college grad. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. (2 Cor. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. The church never knew our problems but god did. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! 44. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. I have no opinion on this When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. ? 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Praise the lord for giving it to us. All I do is reply to comments. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. I love devotions with the Lord. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. Correction is my discernment. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 50. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. They bought your loyalty. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. I did learn a lot. Care to elaborate, provide examples? Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. 17. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. This is because we live in this flesh. 16. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. Come and join. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. My pastor and his wife sent evil. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 11. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? 14. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Well I am a little confused. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. insidious I like that word. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. Did you read it? No, thats silly! I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. 25. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. 1 John 1:9 Matthew 6:14-15 If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist.
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