I'm always in favor for more options and less restrictions. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. - Do you prefer to do business with companies that takes the most profit from your products in exchange for a short-term higher revenue? I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. I like the concept of CGtrader very much, hope to see the duality issues resolved. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. Putting 3D printing as the main product range on first page doesn't help, as has been noted. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . I had a conversation with Eduardas he confirmed that they will improve the feedback system. A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. So click on a category. He earns trust in this way and we know everything stands or falls with the coming and going of trust. My initial stance on this was, ok fine then my Ts account can stay up for those few that seemingly do not know anything ells outside of Ts. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. Of course if you have a PC with quad processors over 16 GB of ram things will be different but be warned students and low end users. You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. Now if this individual was for real I would have loved to contact him and ask If he would like to give me that converted file in exchange for every dollar he paid for the model. This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. It is always very reassuring to know that our opinions are taken into account. This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. Payment Method At least some aspects of it. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. my main income its still TS. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. Search Filter Free products only Discount Formats Free products only Reset filters Free While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. CGTrader will have to do so at some point, or people in search of quality models will simply avoid it. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. this issue frequently occurs when a seller wants to break a competitor. Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). Money rules! it is a sad reality, some sellers are ready to buy a model of their competitor to post a bad rating. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. Basically giving your money to a tyrant of a service, not even free to set price on your own products accordingly. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. Hmm, i went to your profile and i see no negative feedback. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. So my own experience on sales is of little value. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. Then we're all back at Square one again. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. Then they would only find the relevant models and get to purchasing them right away. Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. CGT needs to get on Amazon a.s.a.p or partner with all the top leading commercial comps in order to make 3D more interesting to more buyers. Rank improvement compared to previous 3 months: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com +5,816, http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/turbosquid.com +1,026. its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. [http://www.google.com google5 ] I can think up multiple scenarios to try get a grip on it but I don't actually care anymore. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. What insane kind of practice is that, who owns the work then? Chat with Support 24/7 Being between a rock (TS) and a hard place (CT) is a damn round the clock aggravation. It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. i guess both have different orientationone is cg and one is 3d printing oriented. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Everything we do is going on between people, we are all in this together, none of us is separate now matter how hard we would like to think so. Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. What would be your opinion? Better for who? And to be fair, you will never get exact 40% from squid either, because they have payout fees too and also they withold certain amount from US purchases. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? In place already. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. I was 2 times victim of credit card fraud on Ts, never happened on CGt so far. This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) To my repliers: They do not deserve that I fed them 60% i think they both have there place . Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Gritsuk : Hello Friends, glad to present you my model Female Hand Realistic. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). 2. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. What I mean is CGt isn't rely making products, it is offering a sales platform and leaves the problem salving involving product issues (between sellers and buyers) to the product developers themselves (in theory) and in doing so minimizing/reducing overhead in sales. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. Here at CGtrader you can do all of that and much much more which is awesome!! Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. [http://www.google.com|google11] Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. However, we have detected that you have set your prices back numerous times after we have made appropriate changes. It still remains a puzzle to me, were those few now actually using their CGt account because there was no other way or did I just lose those and just gained some new clients from somewhere ells? patna Escorts Service I don't think it's possible to have WORKING site with both 3d printing and classic models. Its great way to compete and fair . No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. If I compare him with the founder of Ts, then it becomes clear to me we have a completely different relationship. Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. That thing is just getting started ;-). Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. Change Method. 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. The classic idea of exclusivity, division and concealment as a strategy to get to a monopolistic position is bad for the industry and everyone is coming to the realization how bad it rely is. That is where the true value of 3D is today but unless someone can show the masses that this kind of thing can be done at a reasonable price ,(based on market value), then 3D will continue to be a half dead market until it will die completely because robotics have reached an advanced stage where they will soon be able to replace artists. They have more traffic so i'm told. I'm afraid the end of Ts is near and nothing can stop it, maybe the best they can do is raise royalty's to 80% for all sellers, but then again if they don't change the censorship policy's they are applying right now then it will probably not be enough to stop the downfall in the long run. Bangalore Escort I'm done with them. But it should be also possible to turn this filter off. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. This is the Tesla Model 3. Turbosquid has a horrendous up-loader They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. Not artist friendly at all, from uploading to statistics (Model views, downloads, and so on). Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. I think CGT should begin doing the same and promoting people for being exclusive to CGT after all that will help buyer confidence when they realize how many of their best artists are switching sides! I am new starter here. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. I was a seller on Ts for very long time but never liked it, felt the 60% cut was unjust, the aggressive tactics towards competitors was bad, the self centeredness to keep artist away from own clients was wrong, and there are many more reasons why it never felt home to me. Beautifully put IterateCGI, let's hope it is signal for more than just Tubro's downfall, but hopefully the downfall of treating 3D creators like shit. I removed all products from TS. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. ;), My thoughts exactly.. 3d Printing could be very profitable (for CG Trader, and the modelers) I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. If there is a problem they will fix it for you. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. While sellers will be disadvantaged in many interests. In fact, I had taken deliberate steps to ensure that I included no content in my designs that could even be construed as overlap. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. I like, CG Trader is ascent. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. 3. According to me ,in the future, more a 3DMarketplace will be open more it will take to success. How about the Royalty Rate??? What, iterateCGI goos down? And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. 2. CGTrader has a good plateform for selling already licensed things files but not selling the licence,your trapped into owning the licence. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. I think CGTrader just has to advertise itself more.. everything else will fall into place.. CG traders designer rank rep points. I have to be honest about my view else who am i. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. Regarding sales, for me personally CGtrader is in lead with a small margin for almost 5 months in row now, I'm confident the difference will get even bigger (so let's be realistic Ts sales is dropping dramatically). @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS. Especially if the buyer asks to change something in the configuration of models or to clarify details. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). I tested it with golden palace, clothing and various hair, other textures, they all worked fine August 22, 2022 at 6:03 am #1859211 Sabrina Participant Rank: @Goblyn Glad you enjoy it! Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) Right now, low quality models flooding this site are attracting the low budget people - that's certainly why high quality objects with pricings in accordance don't sell that much. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. You said you have considered closing your store here, I get that but why not just keep it up? And good thing that you decided to tell about - such things should go public and be discussed. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. What? The product team is reviewing your comments and this is something we will definitely work on. Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. Guys really have the potential to screw greedy monopoly and earn some decent position on the market. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. Then came price guarantee on Ts and now I had a problem, the part I was now successfully serving on CGt I would not want to risk losing back to Ts, nor would I want to lose those few that kept buying my higher priced models there. Bottom line is if people are used to buying from TS they won't buy here because they need to use a different system so let's create our own client base. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. And I've done the same thing on Turbosquid, in the same period of time. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. But we forgot about the buyers. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. This is why: Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. - Explaining on a personal basis to certain designers, even under banning threat, that creating very basic objects afters tutorials and selling them for 10$ with comments like : "my best model ever" will only hamper CGTrader credibility ; also that taking a poser or DAZ model, posing it (or even rigging it) in another software and adding a few details to it is still an obvious copyright infringements, if not a simple steal The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra Sales dropped to almost nothing. 5. NoneCG will be up for it. Anyway, there is still some ocasional Turbosquid fanboy that bashes CGtrader and promotes Turbosquid in public forums and social media while writes this in TS forums at the same time: Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. I also think, as iterateCGI, the market control based on exclusivity will soon disappear. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. I like the deposit proposal of flat_3d, but jet again it probably best be part of a repertoire of marketing tools the designer could choose from, not a global policy. This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . It is pretty awesome!!! I ended up terminating my account, seeing as I couldn't operate the store under such conditions - not only did I risk having the work I'd put in uploading items undone at any moment, I also had no idea what pitfalls I had to avoid to not have items taken down. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. In this case the fastest support can not help. That's why I won't model one single model for online sale until this heinous situation is rectified. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. We are currently working to redesign the homepage to show off both CG and 3D print ready models. They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. What's lacking? Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future? just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. (e.g. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially:
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