This against a lot of critique among seasoned shooters and [], There are multiple different case head sizes for the various cartridges. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. #3123699 - 01/17/18 12:34 PM Re: 22 Creedmoor [Re: thoms715] CZ527 Die Hard Member III Registered: 12/25/14 Posts . This rifle is an absolute nightmare on Coyotes, Feral Hogs, Prairie Dogs, and Whitetail Deer. For more information about keeping a Shooting Record Book, read our article titled: How to Estimate Range with the Mil-Dot Reticle (Subheading: How to Determine Target Size). Just because you can, doesn't mean you should! Then along comes the new Creedmore offerings and the shooting world makes me feel like time has passed me by. The same user claimed in another post comment on 29 October 2013 that GA Precision built his 22 Creedmoor rifle more than a year and a half earlier, which if true would make their 22 Creedmoor rifle the first one created in early half of 2012, possibly unlikely as the same user was still asking about a custom 22-250 action rifle and mag feeding ammo out of it in a 13 December 2012 post, showing that it has possibly not been made by then yet. If you want just 1 rifle the 243 has the ability to be a MPBR/old school varmiter right slong with the 22/250, but a much better Deer?antelope rifle. It shouldnt outdo the 22-250 ai since capacity is nearly identical. Copper creek will have it along with loaded ammo using the 75gn Hornady eldm. The 22 Creedmoor ballistics, beating out those of the .22-250 and many other fast .224 caliber cartridges, are what is drawing more people towards this cartridge lately. When the rifle is fired, the explosive heat and pressure from the propellant gasses begin to erode the throat of the barrels interior surface. Craddock Precision Ethical hunters dont do that because we all know that the opportunity for perfect shot placement is the exception not the rule; particularly in brushy cover. Making brass from 6mm creedmoor is simple and quick. As with any multi-purpose tool there tends to be compromises. This one has my attention. Your email address will not be published. Alpha munitions should have some 22 Creedmoor brass available in February. That experiment reinforced my belief that 3500 is a good number for replacement. A .250 diameter neck will typically provide desirable results for both as long as you are running an expander ball of the appropriate diameter in your die. Making the 6mm BRX is easy and involves loading up 6mm BR brass and fire forming it in a 6mm BRX chamber (the fire forming loads can also be very accurate). Im running the heavier bullets, typically 88 or 95 grains. bullets and fast twist rifling, usually 1:8 or even 1:7.5. We had unlimited access, unlimited use, unlimited quantity of ammunition, fired rounds at night, morning, afternoon, black sky, full moon, rain, fog, cold, hot>>> yada yada yada..we had an awful lot of fun just chewing up ammunition and testing all that we could. Watch below as the kill is only thanks to the speed of the 22 Creedmoor, and another split second of air time would have been too long. Not so likely. All with R26. Make no mistake, as precision rifles are becoming so common that shooters and custom rifle builders have had to turn to customizing calibers and cartridges for more performance, so too has the consumer marketing side of ammunition manufacturers also started creating more calibers and cartridges to further fuel the yearly upgrade and new purchase trend of rifles similar to other tech and cellphone industries. Preferably with h1000? 0.077 1300 100). I built the 22 CM to be a dual-purpose gun, or actually a 3-purpose gun. There certainly was room for a "better mousetrap" and the 22 Creedmoor does an exceptional job of filling that void. 25 caliber: 0.257 ". Similarly, there are no big-name ammunition companies loading for the 22 CM, but there are several smaller companies offering ammunition so you dont have to reload at all. Who do you know who has enough guns? A longer barrel may also contribute to bullet jacket failures in high-velocity loads with heavy-for-caliber bullets (85gr+). My 22 Creedmoor is doing 3511 fps with 80 gr Nosler CC bullets. Buzz, It seems like a futile venture to me personally. Regardless of the barrel length you . JavaScript is disabled. The 22 Creedmoor finds itself in the perfect configuration for functionality with heavy bullets within short action magazine system limitations. MFG #: FCTR22CM24BF. Both these rounds are considered fantastic for long-range shooting. . This puts it in the .243 Winchester class for punch. I will try again later using faster burning powders but for now back to the proven. When starting with 6mm Creedmoor brass, you will need to neck it down to produce 22 Creedmoor. I tried to find an email for Mr. Cramblit with no luck. Cooper Creek, Gunwerks, and Spark Munitions have a variety of offerings depending on what purpose you have for the gun. First you have to define "barrel life" and then you have to consider the number one enemy to the barrel, heat and pressure. Back in the day, my first ever rifle was a Remington 700 in 6mm. Nothing changes..heavy vs super light! Very long barrel life; Cons of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Bullet diameter.224, Shoulder angle30 degrees, Rim diameter.468, Case length1.92 inches, Primer typeLarge and small. Barrel life, according to most precision shooters is basically the number of rounds expected before the rifle shows inaccuracy of more than one MOA. Erosion from bullet friction alone is minimal as suggested by the longer barrel life of "mild" cartridges like 30-30 Winchester, 22 Hornet, and especially 22 rimfire. At our 22 Creedmoor muzzle velocity of 3550fps the Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets produces around 2099 ft.lbs of energy, taking it close to medium 6mm bullets or light 308 Winchester rounds. So check out the details and run the numbers yourself and consider one for your next rifle build. We would even recommend it above 6mm competition calibers in precision shooting matches under 800 yards other than PRS matches with their 3,200 fps limit. A new, stainless steel barrel finished and installed should run you from about $500 to $1,000 depending on length, contour, brand, and who's doing the installation. A barrels life expectancy is caliber dependant, and may range anywhere from 1000 rounds to 6000 rounds or more. For me, I just built a custom 22-250AI VERY close case capacity similarity to the 22 creedmoor. Being based off the 6.5 CM cartridge case, the 22 CM runs in short action rifles and feeds smoothly from SA magazines produced by many manufacturers. For mine, the perfect load for the 75gr mentioned in the post, was at 40.6gr Vihtavuori N550. Ive been shooting the 6mm Rem our of my old 788 for well over 40 years. Look at the 22 creed as an ackley'd 22-250, you can actually fire form brass if needed. The gun has NO recoil, and is downright easy to hit targets with due to the flat trajectory and outstanding wind-defeating bullets. One morning I shot three bucks without getting a chance to reload my rifle. H4350 is kind of a "go-to" powder for the Creed case but I have had really good performance and barrel life out of H4831, H1000 and RE23. I presume the Alpha brass is good too. I had a stand at the top of a rocky hill, surrounded by field. Both of them usually have a 22 Creedmoor for sale and in stock. So what is accurate barrel life, and how do we determine a barrels life expectancy? Name Phone Number Email Message The fact that gun owners are becoming more advanced than before is another reason we may be seeing so many new cartridges. I loaded up 200 rounds with fireformed 22-250 Lapua brass and 45.5 grains of R26. Your observation sounds spot on. The Creedmoor has a maximum SAAMI pressure of 62,000 psi and the PRC has a max pressure of 65,000 psi. Bolt Face & Action Database - LoadDevelopment.com, Why The 6.5 Creedmoor Is The Best Overall Cartridge, Cartridge Reloading Shell Holder Reference Chart. Mark I shoot a 22-6mm rem which is a touch faster but very similar in performance. The second was for shooting PRS (Precision Rifle Series) style matches on occasion, and the third was for hunting deer sized game. Features & Specifications Remington 700 Action, Cylindrically Ground (Converted to Side Bolt Release) Rail Screw Threads Opened Up to 8/40 (Action Re-Blued) Shilen Alternut Installed BDL, Accepts Standard AICS 3901 & 3902 Magazines 26" Shilen Match Barrel (4 Groove Rachet Rifling) Twist: 1:7.5 Chambered by Shilen in 22 Creedmoor The 22 CM drops below that 800 ft-lb threshold at between 600 to 775 yards depending on the bullet and velocity of Copper Creeks different offerings. They wouldnt allow me to stay on shore duty if I re-enlisted I didnt really want to end up o the U.S.S. And barrels cost less than new truck tires! With a CCI200 primer I got the following with an 82 grain Berger. Our hair was long, wed wear cut off Navy dungarees, (jeans), Navy chambray shirts with the sleeves removedwe would shoot enormous amounts of ammunition, we basically looked like 180 degree out of phase squids>>>(sailors). Savage pre fits come in 2 shank sizes; Standard (small) Shank / 1.058"-20, Large / 1.120"-20. I have some R26 and R23 that I want to try. Thorley enjoyed reading your article on Barrel Life. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on J As a 450 yard deer cartridge. We have shooters today who are highly specialized in their shooting niche. If they can, velocities are so low they arent practical. Want One? Mine is throated long, twisted fast and loaded hot but I'm able to sling 95gr SMKs at 3200fps from a 22 inch tube with H4350. The 22-250 will have a much shorter barrel life than the 6.5 CM. My buddy has one. It has wide forgiving sweetspots, which makes it inherently accurate even for the most novice reloaders, and the velocity combined with the ballistic coefficients of the .224 bullets in 75, 80, 88 and 90gr are so good, that wind does not bother it as much as even larger calibers. Just thought I'd update here. Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! Your email address will not be published. 22 creedmoor brass is hard to find right now, and I didn't want to shoot hornady brass. I first heard of it from a friend that said the 22 CM came in the top 3 in a first-round hit capability study he had read. 22 Creedmoor Bartlein Barrel Build a 22 Creedmoor Bartlein to fit your needs! Please email or call us if you would like an estimated time of arrival.After turning down the barrel, we jacket a 416R Stainless steel match barrel in a roll-wrapped carbon fiber sleeve and load it under tension. Putting an additional 14 grains of powder behind the same bullet and bumping pressure up another 2,000 psi cuts barrel life in half. It flipped him over backwards and he never so much as twitched his tail. While some think that energy is not the all-important factor and cite archery and sub-sonic hog hunting as an example; really cant argue that either. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. From the loaders manual, the stated velocity was 3300 FPS. For instance, 22 LR's can go much further than 5-10K, while 223 types can burn out in less than 1K. Well I pulled the trigger, pun intended, on the 22 creedmoor. I worked up a load with 22-250 brass that had been fired in the 22 Creed with 39 grains of R26 and a 77 TMK. The oldest actual talk or mention of a 22 Creedmoor caliber or cartridge being a comment suggestion made by Chad Dixon from Long Rifles Inc. on another SnipersHide post on 19 September 2012, in response to another user wondering about shooting 90gr bullets from a 220 swift. The 6 creedmoor forester ultra micrometer seating die should work for seating bullets in 22-250 Lapua brass to fire form into 22 creedmoor? A 22 Creedmoor for deer will work as well as any 6mm or 6.5mm caliber, and sometimes even beter out at longer distances. The tough northern coyotes we hunt have a reputation for taking some vicious hits and then just getting back up to run off. I got an update from Bob at Alpha Munitions (alphamunitions.com). JavaScript is disabled. Then one opening day, when it got daylight, I could see I was surrounded by other hunters. I know that huge advances in rifles has taken place since the 1970s. I'm going to try out 22x47L once this barrel is toast. Looking forward to using it for predators. I was able to get a very consistent load with an 80gr Berger VLD Target in the 3450fps range that produced 45 firings on the brass. Just received my 22 creedmoor reamer and have a 20" Proof Carbon Savage pre-fit in 223 that I'm going to have reamed out and picked up a Savage take off 22-250 barrel to ream and use for fire forming/prairie dogs. The fact that several vendors are manufacturing 22 CM brass certainly makes handloading simpler. Fill out the form below and we will be in contact with you to get your custom build started. This is by far my favorite gun to shoot now. The performance of the 22 CM with 75 80 grain bullets makes it an outstanding varmint cartridge. I use Lapua in my 22-250 and making it into 6.5 Creed was a disaster. I've done extensive testing with several of the latest batches of headstamped 22 Creedmoor brass. Your email address will not be published. I have also been shooting a .260 Rem out of a M700 for almost as long. I had a rifle built by Meredith Rifles, using a Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, Manners stock andNightforcescope. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It's a cool cartridge for sure. The oldest mention and claim of a rifle chambered in 22 Creedmoor, is a comment made on 24 October 2013 on a SnipersHide post where user KYS claims to have suggested a 223 bullet faster with more reliable feeding and George Gardner of GA Precision and Josh Lapin of Copper Creek Ammo joked about the 22 Creedmoor, and this comment was in response to the post highlighting the image on GA Precisions Facebook page showing a 22 Creedmoor earlier the same day. Anyone else running 90 berger or 95 sierra? UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? There are a number of things that a shooter can do to reduce barrel wear. I thought that might be the case just wanted to confirm. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This erosion is accelerated when cartridges are loaded hot (adding additional propellant) with the aim of increasing the bullets velocity. In our research though, it seems to have been made first either by George Gardner of GA Precision or by Tim McWhorter of McWhorter Custom Rifles. The 22 Creedmoor trim length for cases is 1.910. Most states would not allow it as lacking sufficient energy.
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