And again, it survives, I think, because of that state support for the better part of 2,000 years. And very famous passages, by the way, that should be familiar to most New Testament readers. General Stanley McChrystal Mastering Risk: A User's Guide | Brought to you by Kettle & Fire high quality, tasty, and conveniently packaged bone broths; Eight Sleep. Now, here's-- let's tack away from hard, scientific, archaeobotanical evidence for a moment. A profound knowledge of visionary plants, herbs, and fungi passed from one generation to the next, ever since the Stone Age? He was greatly influenced by Sigmund Freud (1940) who viewed an infant's first relationship - usually with the mother - as "the prototype of all later love-relations". They're mixing potions. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to. The altar had been sitting in a museum in Israel since the 1960s and just hadn't been tested. Little attempt has been made, however, to bridge the gap between \"pagan\" and \"Christian\" or to examine late antique, Christian attitudes toward sexuality and marriage from the viewpoint of the \"average\" Christian. And I answer it differently every single time. But I do want to push back a little bit on the elevation of this particular real estate in southern Italy. It's not just Cana. I see something that's happening to people. It was it was barley, water, and something else. Again, it's proof of concept for going back to Eleusis and going back to other sites around the Mediterranean and continuing to test, whether for ergotized beer or other things. In the first half, we'll cover topics ranging from the Eleusinian Mysteries, early Christianity, and the pagan continuity hypothesis to the work of philosopher and psychologist William James. He decides to get people even more drunk. Which turns out, it may be they were. And when you speak in that way, what I hear you saying is there is something going on. And I don't know if there's other examples of such things. Not because it's not there, because it hasn't been tested. So I went fully down the rabbit hole. The (Mistaken) Conspiracy Theory: In the Late Middle Ages, religious elites created a new, and mistaken, intellectual framework out of Christian heresy and theology concerning demons. The continuity between pagan and Christian cult nearby the archaeological area of Naquane in Capo di Ponte. So first of all, please tell us how it is you came to pursue this research to write this book, and highlight briefly what you think are its principal conclusions and their significance for our present and future. We look forward to hosting Chacruna's founder and executive director, Bia Labate, for a lecture on Monday, March 8. I think it's important you have made a distinction between what was Jesus doing at the Last Supper, as if we could ever find out. And I'm happy to see we have over 800 people present for this conversation. And that's what I get into in detail in the book. And so that opened a question for me. I really tried. 7:30 The three pillars to the work: the Eucharist as a continuation of the pharmako and Dionysian mysteries; the Pagan continuity theory; and the idea that through the mysteries "We can die before we die so that when we die we do not die" 13:00 What does "blood of Christ" actually mean; the implied and literal cannibalism Material evidence of a very strange potion, a drug, or a [SPEAKING GREEK]. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. And it was the Jesuits who encouraged me to always, always ask questions and never take anything at face value. And does it line up with the promise from John's gospel that anyone who drinks this becomes instantly immortal? Where does Western civilization come from? And even Burkert, I think, calls it the most famous of the mystery rituals. And so if there is a place for psychedelics, I would think it would be in one of those sacred containers within monastic life, or pilgrims who visit one of these monastic centers, for example. And I-- in my profession, we call this circumstantial, and I get it. So let's start, then, the first act. You know, it's an atheist using theological language to describe what happened to her. You're not confident that the pope is suddenly going to issue an encyclical. First I'll give the floor to Brian to walk us into this remarkable book of his and the years of hard work that went into it, what drove him to do this. CHARLES STANG: I have one more question about the pre-Christian story, and that has to do with that the other mystery religion you give such attention to. And I want to-- just like you have this hard evidence from Catalonia, then the question is how to interpret it. BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. Now are there any other questions you wish to propose or push or-- I don't know, to push back against any of the criticisms or questions I've leveled? Did the potion at Eleusis change from generation to generation? I mean, I asked lots of big questions in the book, and I fully acknowledge that. If we're being honest with ourselves, when you've drunk-- and I've drunk that wine-- I didn't necessarily feel that I'd become one with Jesus. That's, just absurd. The question is, what will happen in the future. There he is. The same Rome that circumstantially shows up, and south of Rome, where Constantine would build his basilicas in Naples and Capua later on. And it was their claim that when the hymn to Demeter, one of these ancient records that records, in some form, the proto-recipe for this kykeon potion, which I call like a primitive beer, in the hymn to Demeter, they talk about ingredients like barley, water, and mint. So this whole water to wine thing was out there. I'm going to stop asking my questions, although I have a million more, as you well know, and instead try to ventriloquist the questions that are coming through at quite a clip through the Q&A. A lot of Christianity, as you rightly point out, I mean, it was an Eastern phenomenon, all over the eastern Mediterranean. So what I think we have here in this ergtotized beer drink from Catalonia, Spain, and in this weird witch's brew from 79 AD in Pompeii, I describe it, until I see evidence otherwise, as some of the very first heart scientific data for the actual existence of actual spiked wine in classical antiquity, which I think is a really big point. And apparently, the book is on order, so I can't speak to this directly, but the ancient Greek text that preserves this liturgy also preserves the formula, the ingredients of the eye ointment. What's different about the Dionysian mysteries, and what evidence, direct or indirect, do we have about the wine of Dionysus being psychedelic? And this is what I present to the world. And the one thing that unites both of those worlds in this research called the pagan continuity hypothesis, the one thing we can bet on is the sacred language of Greek. We know from the literature hundreds of years beforehand that in Elis, for example, in the Western Peloponnese, on the same Epiphany-type timeline, January 5, January 6, the priests would walk into the temple of Dionysus, leave three basins of water, the next morning they're miraculously transformed into wine. Now, it's just an early indication and there's more testing to be done. Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account, Peloton Row premium rower for an efficient workout, and You Need A Budget cult-favorite money management app.. Rick Rubin is a nine-time GRAMMY-winning producer, one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world, and the most successful producer in any genre, according to Rolling Stone. You also find a Greek hearth inside this sanctuary. But I mentioned that we've become friends because it is the prerogative of friends to ask hard questions. And I describe that as somehow finding that key to immortality. It's this 22-acre site of free-standing limestone, some rising 20 feet in the air, some weighing 50 tons. Throughout his five books he talks about wine being mixed with all kinds of stuff, like frankincense and myrrh, relatively innocuous stuff, but also less innocuous things like henbane and mandrake, these solanaceous plants which he specifically says is fatal. In this episode, Brian C. Muraresku, who holds a degree from Brown University in Latin, Greek and Sanskrit, joins Breht to discuss his fascinating book "The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name", a groundbreaking dive into the use of hallucinogens in ancient Greece, the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, the role of the Eucharist in early Christianity, the . I'm not sure where it falls. But it was just a process of putting these pieces together that I eventually found this data from the site Mas Castellar des Pontos in Spain. And that that's how I-- and by not speculating more than we can about the mystical supper, if we follow the hypothesis that this is a big if for some early communities of Greek speakers, this is how I'm finding common ground with priests both Catholic and Orthodox and Protestants. If you look at Dioscorides, for example, his Materia Medica, that's written in the first century AD around the same time that the Gospels themselves are being written. And let's start with our earliest evidence from the Stone Age and the Bronze Age. Maybe I'm afraid I'll take the psychedelic and I won't have what is reported in the literature from Hopkins and NYU. And I'm not even sure what that piece looks like or how big it is. And now we have a working hypothesis and some data to suggest where we might be looking. Then what was the Gospel of John, how did it interpret the Eucharist and market it, and so on. I mean, what-- my big question is, what can we say about the Eucharist-- and maybe it's just my weird lens, but what can we say about it definitively in the absence of the archaeochemstry or the archaeobotany? I mean, shouldn't everybody, shouldn't every Christian be wondering what kind of wine was on that table, or the tables of the earliest Christians? What's significant about these features for our piecing together the ancient religion with no name? Not because they just found that altar. So if Eleusis is the Fight Club of the ancient world, right, the first rule is you don't talk about it. Nage ?] And why, if you're right that the church has succeeded in suppressing a psychedelic sacrament and has been peddling instead, what you call a placebo, and that it has exercised a monstrous campaign of persecution against plant medicine and the women who have kept its knowledge alive, why are you still attached to this tradition? I just sense a great deal of structure and thoughtfulness going into this experience. Brian's thesis, that of the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, was explored by Alexander Hislop in his "The Two Babylons", 1853, as a Protestant treatise in the spirit of Martin Luther as Alexander too interjects the Elusinian Mysteries. This an absolute masterclass on why you must know your identity and goals before forming a habit, what the best systems are for habit. Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. And I offer psychedelics as one of those archaic techniques of ecstasy that seems to have been relevant and meaningful to our ancestors. This limestone altar tested positive for cannabis and frankincense that was being burned, they think, in a very ritualistic way. Are they rolling their eyes, or are you getting sort of secretive knowing nods of agreement? And there you also found mortars that were tested and also tested positive for evidence of brewing. And what about the alleged democratization with which you credit the mysteries of Dionysus, or the role of women in that movement? So throughout the book, you make the point that ancient beer and wine are not like our beer and wine. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. I'm happy to argue about that. It's a big question for me. And much of the evidence that you've collected is kind of the northern half of the Mediterranean world. [2] BRIAN MURARESKU: Good one. Then I see the mysteries of Dionysus as kind of the Burning Man or the Woodstock of the ancient world. Listen to #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More, an episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. We have plays like the Bacchi from Euripides, where we can piece together some of this. The only reason I went to college was to study classics. BRIAN MURARESKU: I look forward to it, Charlie. Perhaps more generally, you could just talk about other traditions around the Mediterranean, North African, or, let's even say Judaism. The big question is, did any of these recipes, did any of this wine spiking actually make its way into some paleo-Christian ceremony. It was one of the early write-ups of the psilocybin studies coming out of Johns Hopkins. And I did not dare. BRIAN MURARESKU: I don't-- I don't claim too heavily. 18.3C: Continuity Theory. You mentioned, too, early churchmen, experts in heresies by the name of Irenaeus of Lyons and Hippolytus of Rome. They linked the idea of witches to an imagined organized sect which was a danger to the Christian commonwealth. And if it only occurs in John, the big question is why. Now that the pagan continuity hypothesis is defended, the next task is to show that the pagan and proto-Christian ritual sacraments were, in fact, psychedelicbrews. CHARLES STANG: All right. McGovern also finds wine from Egypt, for example, in 3150 BC, wine that is mixed with a number of interesting ingredients. So I'm trying to build the case-- and for some reason in my research, it kept coming back to Italy and Rome, which is why I focus on Hippolytus. Not in every single case, obviously. And if you're a good Christian or a good Catholic, and you're consuming that wine on any given Sunday, why are you doing that? Now, I have no idea where it goes from here, or if I'll take it myself. Like in Israel. He dared to ask this very question before the hypothesis that this Eleusinian sacrament was indeed a psychedelic, and am I right that it was Ruck's hypothesis that set you down this path all those many years ago at Brown? #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More And then was, in some sense, the norm, the original Eucharist, and that it was then suppressed by orthodox, institutional Christianity, who persecuted, especially the women who were the caretakers of this tradition. As a matter of fact, I think it's much more promising and much more fertile for scholarship to suggest that some of the earliest Christians may have availed themselves of a psychedelic sacrament and may have interpreted the Last Supper as some kind of invitation to open psychedelia, that mystical supper as the orthodox call it, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]. That they were what you call extreme beverages. Here's the proof of concept. And so I can see psychedelics being some kind of extra sacramental ministry that potentially could ease people at the end of life. Which, if you think about it, is a very elegant idea. That's all just fancy wordplay. Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. It's really quite simple, Charlie. CHARLES STANG: My name is Charles Stang, and I'm the director of the Center for the Study of World Religions here at Harvard Divinity School. There aren't any churches or basilicas, right, in the first three centuries, in this era we're calling paleo-Christianity. I'm going to come back to that idea of proof of concept. BRIAN MURARESKU: But you're spot on. Here's the big question. I am so fortunate to have been selected to present my thesis, "Mythology and Psychedelics: Taking the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis a Step Further" at. Brendon Benz presents an alternative hypothesis to recent scholarship which has hypothesized that Israel consisted of geographical, economic . They did not. Liked by Samuel Zuschlag. Here's what we don't. And so that's what motivated my search here. CHARLES STANG: All right. CHARLES STANG: OK. Now let's move into the Greek mystery. Because every time I think about ancient wine, I am now immediately thinking about wine that is spiked. It would have parts of Greek mysticism in it, the same Greek mysteries I've spent all these years investigating, and it would have some elements of what I see in paleo-Christianity. He has talked about the potential evidence for psychedelics in a Mithras liturgy. As much as we know about the mysteries of Eleusis. But maybe you could just say something about this community in Catalonia. Here's your Western Eleusis. And I write, at the very end of the book, I hope that they'd be proud of this investigation. I mean, the honest answer is not much. Is this only Marcus? And if there's historical precedent for it, all the more so. And so even within the New Testament you see little hints and clues that there was no such thing as only ordinary table wine. The kind of mysticism I've always been attracted to, like the rule of Saint Benedict and the Trappist monks and the Cistercian monks. So in my mind, it was the first real hard scientific data to support this hypothesis, which, as you alluded to at the beginning, only raises more questions. They are guaranteed an afterlife. So the closer we get to the modern period, we're starting to find beer, wine mixed with interesting things. I understand the appeal of that. Richard Evans Schultes and the Search for Ayahuasca 17 days ago Plants of the Gods: S3E10.
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